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this is lou elizondo and you are

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and we've got

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some breaking news that happened well a

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few days ago as we record this joining

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me of course for this one is dan

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hi howdy howdy how are you

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yep not bad we've been talking for half

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an hour let's dispense with the

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pleasantries um we said this will be a

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quicker one than normal it feels like

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we've not recorded much in a while

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people won't really have noticed that

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because the stuff's still been coming

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out regularly but

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managed to get a better head in terms of

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interviews and schedules and everything

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else i've been working a lot dan's been

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working a lot and dan is about to move

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as you may have saw online so it's been

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best that the way we've done it and

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we've finally got a chance to at least

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record this one dan moves over the

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weekend and then we're all we're all

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good for a regular schedule again but i

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don't think people should have noticed

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any any difference anyway yeah it was a

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smooth transition but my wall will be

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changing soon so people will notice that

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probably right that's that's the unless

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they're on audio

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yeah in which case it doesn't matter

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because now

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dan's audio wall will be changing and

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hopefully his audio doesn't um unless

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you hate his audio then it may change

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for the better yeah

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but yeah on the 20th of july it was

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announced online from the department of

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defense that on the 15th of july the

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deputy secretary of defense kathleen

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hicks in coordination with the director

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of national intelligence amended her

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original direction to the under

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secretary of defense for intelligence

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and security by renaming and expanding

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the scope of the aoi msg which as we

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know was the airborne object

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identification and management group to a

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new office titled arrow which was the

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all domain anomaly resolution office and

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for jazz shaw the hyphen does negate the

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d being part of that um

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it does even i know that one jazz shame

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on you um so yes so the a a r o so the

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aoi msg is gone and we have arrow

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um and this is due to the enactment of

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the national defense authorization act

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ndaa for fiscal year 2022 which we've

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just had the new language amendments for

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which we covered recently on the podcast

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as well um which included a provision to

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establish an office in coordination with

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the dni with responsibilities that were

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broader than those originally assigned

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to the eoi msg that was the initial

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statement on the dod's website dan and

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so in short aoi msg no longer a thing we

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get rid of that huge acronym we have

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this new office the aaro

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saw this drop

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my immediate thought is that the word

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arrow is a hell of a lot better to say

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than aim sog i think everyone can agree

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it's nice that now that i mean i know

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we're talking about it so it's a little

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ironic for me to say but it's nice that

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when we say oh yeah america has a uap

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office it's arrow people won't go

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you know what the hell is that word

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there won't be so much conversation

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about the naming of the office which is

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good we can focus on the content and

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what they're doing now

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there was a phrase that came

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along with this legislation um which had

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another hyphen in it uh which was

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unidentified oh i'm gonna mess this up

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i've forgotten the second u done

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um but basically

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the new phrasing for uap which includes

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a term that

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is not just saying trans medium it

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denotes that it goes through multiple

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so it's go on people people are getting

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too caught up i think and i get it's the

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detail okay but all the different

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acronyms that people are coming out with

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online whenever they see a new piece of

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legislation or some language being put

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in i think a lot of these are just

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covering the bases of what is being seen

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ultimately folks like i've said before

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and you can like this you can hate it or

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you can be non-plus

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ufo covers all of these still it's just

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language that people may or may not find

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stigmatized we then kind of got used to

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uap and i think people are just getting

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a little bit too excited whenever they

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see oh usap or you you sap and it's like

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it's all still the same thing

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yeah and uap has been going since what

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the earliest mention we found i think

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puts the documents in our chat then

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doesn't he says yeah absolutely it says

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uap here back in the 40s and 50s and it

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just wasn't as common especially in the

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public domain yeah absolutely and it

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hasn't replaced

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ufo despite being around for 50 to 20 of

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sorry 50 to 70 years so i don't think

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it's gonna replace ufo the public calls

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them ufos officials call them uap i

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would say that's the line yeah 100

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i use the wwf wwe you know wwe has been

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around now since 2002. oh sure but to

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the general public who don't watch

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wrestling it's the wwf

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and that's that's still the wrestling to

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them so it's that kind of thing um arrow

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itself so aaron remember folks uh its

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mission according to the statement

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online the mission of arrow will be to

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synchronize efforts across the

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department of defense

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and agencies to detect identify and

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attribute objects of interest in on or

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are covering the bases they are now of

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not just things flying about in the air

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but things that can go underwater can go

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going through physical objects could

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technically now be part of that as well

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with the old domain being in the arrow

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universe than those three things so it

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makes sense to cover those bases by just

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saying all domain in the language it

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even says unknown domains so it's giving

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room for you know places and things that

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we we just don't know exist yet um

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they're expanding that scope to really

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drive home the fact that they're looking

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at anomalous craft that don't fit under

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the remit of things like drones even

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conversation

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but what's the idea ultimately still

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being this this organization the same as

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the one before it and the same as a task

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force the same as any other that would

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be around that we've heard of or not

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heard of we still want to find out what

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these objects are what the origin is so

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yeah it's great we can keep covering

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more and more things that they may or

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may not do

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but ultimately we don't want that to

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what are they that's the ultimate

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question 100 and we've spoken about this

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a lot as well like we we both of us

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don't think that there's only one thing

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here we think that there are multiple

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things happening multiple phenomena some

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of them might be natural some of them

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might be you know visited from other

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planets some of them might be something

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else as well so

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as we go forward we will start labeling

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these things and narrowing them down you

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know the the giant squid isn't going to

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call a monster at the edge of the map

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forever it's now a giant squid and

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science studies it uh eventually we will

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have a name for you know it won't be a

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tic tac it'll be probably named after

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the species that made it possibly if if

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that's what it is

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so let me ask you then

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this replaces the

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aoi msg ai aim sog whatever people want

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to call it or whatever that was it's now

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amesog actually do or did it actually do

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anything wrong because it doesn't seem

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like it was about all too long to get

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any actual work done before it's

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disappeared yeah absolutely so

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about the only thing we saw aimsaw do

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take over everything that the the uap

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task force had yeah start going through

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also brief uh maltreat and bray for the

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hearing that we saw and we saw how

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ill-equipped they were so i remember

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when aoi msg was announced and we all

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thought that they were trying to kind of

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the dod was trying to distract from the

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gillibrand rubio amendment because that

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legislation and if the office for uap

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study had been defined by the

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legislation it would have been a lot

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broader and a lot more far-reaching than

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ended up being so i i i would i feel

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confident saying that aims was exactly

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what we feared it was it was just

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something to try and appease the the

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senators and to make them back off as

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opposed to something that was actually a

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robust office meant to investigate these

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things thoroughly whereas this new

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office

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looking at the new legislation as well

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even though it's just a rebrand

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the person that they've brought in uh dr

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sean kirkpatrick who will speak about in

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a minute like he's he's not someone that

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messes around and i think that reflects

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this newer office's attitude

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so do you think the rebranding which

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essentially is is what this largely is

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all because of what's happened in the

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time from it being set up to to just

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before this essentially those hearings

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and the performance of moultrie and bray

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and the kind of lack of confidence that

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people seem to have in government with

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this office do you think that's prompted

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this rethink

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structure

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unfortunately it's still under the ousdi

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uh which is the office for under

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secretary of defense for intelligence

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who

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is the under sec f for intel security as

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i'm getting used to that's correct i

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always forget those there are so many

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terms here right like we don't know

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yeah

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it's a step in the right direction

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and that it's addressing a lot of the

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criticism that was levied at aimsog and

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before that the uaptf now it's becoming

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more of a well like say a more of a

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robust office and i'm sure there are

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gaps in this legislation

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that will be filled in next year and the

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year after that and the year after that

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as we move forward this isn't perfect by

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any means but it's definitely a step

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forward and a step up from aim's hog

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and there's also a little bit of a pr

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probably

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i mean it

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rebranding washes off the the bad taste

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um and we've we've seen countless

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companies do it through throughout

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history and after those hearings i

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imagine they won aims as far away as

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possible uh as a name as a term from the

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next hearings where hopefully it will be

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a much better offering i i think the

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first time we'll get to judge it is come

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this halloween when we see the second

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uap

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unclassified report we'll be able to

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compare and contrast with the one we had

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before and see okay really what what is

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this have they just done the same thing

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again um then we know that travis taylor

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helped prepare that report now

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and a lot of stuff would have been taken

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out of it so we will now be able to see

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okay how is the declassification process

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kind of shaking up our officials pushing

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for

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don't think it should be classified and

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looking at other details that that are

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included it will be very telling

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of uh doctor sean kirkpatrick and his

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team

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well people can follow the on social

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media the arrow department at dod

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underscore aaron and the first

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announcement from that twitter account

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was welcome to the official twitter

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account for the all domain anomaly

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resolution office through this channel

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we will provide updates and information

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relative to our examinations of

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unidentified anomalous phenomena across

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space air and maritime domains as we

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grow the office begin building upon the

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previous department of defense efforts

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in this area and communicate with

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congress we will provide updates on our

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progress here this is an exciting and

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intellectually stimulating opportunity

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for us here at arrow uh ronald s

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moultrie who we mentioned before dan he

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then followed up with on july 20th i

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informed the dod that of the

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establishment of the aaro with an ods

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ousdi

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and named dr sean kirkpatrick most

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recently the chief scientist at defense

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intel's miss island space intelligence

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center as director dr kirkpatrick and i

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have a very productive discussion uh or

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had a very productive discussion with

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senator gillibrand and her staff

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yesterday afternoon regarding the dod

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arrow and look forward to continuing our

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work on this important effort

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so

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dr sean kirkpatrick a name that people

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may have heard dropped and and passed in

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various different ways shapes and forms

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uh what did you already know done about

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dr sean kirkpatrick so i was very

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excited to hear this name because

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and i'm gonna have to keep the

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gentleman's name out of it just because

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it turns out that i know somebody that

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knows sean and has worked with him in

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the past warning fork stands about to

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cite an anonymous sword

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i mean i've done it

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um

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i was fortunate to meet this gentleman

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uh in colombia as part of phenomenology

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uh we we had great conversations about

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uh you know what he did i'm not a

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liberty to share that because yeah he is

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an active employee but i will say that

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it was a glowing review of dr sean

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kirkpatrick uh he spoke about him as dr

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k that's what his friends call him

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so yeah dr k apparently is the guy that

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you want on this he he's the go-to

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gentleman in terms of and they they say

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it in

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on the announcement they linked to a

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kind of a summary of his past and there

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was a phrase in there that i'd heard

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before

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which was that he basically served in a

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variety of no fail roles

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which is as heavy as it sounds he's the

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guy you bring in to sort things out he's

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the guy you bring in to get the job done

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so in spite of the the air force being

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involved in sean's uh

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past

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i would say try and put that aside

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because this is the guy that you want on

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the job in a nutshell

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yeah i mean the air force don't have on

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their application forms do you have an

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interest in ufos which then will exclude

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you from a role you know there's going

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to be folks at the air force who do have

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an interest in the subject absolutely

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similar to nasa right we spoke about

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this often like the government is a big

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thing and not everybody in it is going

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to be read into these programs where

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they can't talk about things so there

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are genuinely people outside of it who

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that have interest and i think that that

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tweet reflected that

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a really interesting place i think

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especially in the growing world of

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social media to find out information on

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fox legitimate information as linkedin

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and if you jump on to dr sean

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kirkpatrick's linkedin profile you find

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out this little blurb about him which i

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thought was quite interesting as a quite

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succinct summary of of his background

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so dr sean kirkpatrick is an executive

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level physicist and intelligence officer

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with extensive experience in research

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and development systems engineering

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acquisition oversight operations and

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policy he brings unconventional thinking

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through a diverse background to solve

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some of the nation's most complex and

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challenging problems pretty

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interestingly

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demonstrated ability for executive level

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cradle to grave strategy development

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implementation and execution as a

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recognized national subject matter

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expert widely sought by national level

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political and military leadership for

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advice and recommendations on space and

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counter space and scientific and

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technical intelligence

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issues he combines extensive technical

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and engineering depth with strategy and

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policy in space control space operations

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and cutting edge science and technology

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he's a change agent with deep experience

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in startup organizations and major

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organizational and management

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realignments now so much of that profile

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fits into exactly what he's coming into

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here and reads positively like you say

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for what he can potentially do and bring

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to this role because this doesn't sound

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like a guy who comes into a role and

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it doesn't go anywhere

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that's not the reputation and you know

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no that's not his cv is it

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no i i would say that if someone's

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bringing him in for that to kind of

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brush this end of the carpet they're

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probably going to end up finding that

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they've hired a person who will hold

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them to account and will not do that

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whether we see the results of all of

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that work remains to be seen because

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there's a lot of classified stuff here

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but

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dr kirkpatrick is

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tremendously qualified for this position

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and it certainly seems like he has an

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interest in just things that other

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people can't figure out anyway

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do you think that dr k as his friend's

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column we'll we'll assume

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his friends he might listen you never

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know

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and also the aaro will succeed in

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picking up where the previous efforts

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have left off

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i think so i i can imagine someone like

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dr kirkpatrick going in and asking to

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see where these kind of bits of data are

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held and so on and so forth and if

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amesag were as

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illegitimate as we think they are um

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then

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all of those things would have been

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sorted out basically all of the data

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stores would have been shored up

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everything will have its place

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i can't imagine

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john

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taking no for an answer when he's asking

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for materials from places that are maybe

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not cooperating there was a really great

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line in kathleen hicks's

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memo announcing this she's the director

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of national intelligence and she said

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that any dod component acting on behalf

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of the uaptf

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or who has data analysis contracts and

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other material related to uap will

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immediately synchronize their efforts

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with the

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aaro which i thought was very telling

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that either alludes to her just talking

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about the aimsawg or

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kathleen hicks is being very particular

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with a language

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in that she possibly suspects that there

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are some other components within the dod

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that don't fall under the remit of the

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uaptf or aims that might be studying

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this

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let me ask though and correct me

518
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where or if i'm getting this wrong

519
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which is likely that during the uap task

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force

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summary being compiled we we found out

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they had a change of leadership and you

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remember at the time people like loyola

524
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zondo chris mellon and others were

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saying that it was already being set up

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to fail and the change of leadership in

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the middle of that meant it really

528
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should have been extended and you know

529
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everything was going to be rushed and

530
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they were being hamstrung and everything

531
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,880
else

532
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you're saying that in three months time

533
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we have that next unclassified report

534
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due is this not potentially something

535
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,000
similar where all this change is a

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disruption to an ongoing process

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and how can dr kirkpatrick and in three

538
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months

539
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get things together get everything you

540
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,760
know compiled and ready to put out some

541
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:35,840
kind of report or should we not expect

542
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,240
very much and be looking forward already

543
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:39,679
to next year

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so the the first thing i would say is

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that

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dr kirkpatrick

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this was announced a while back

548
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unofficially uh we we had dean johnson

549
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um

550
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:51,679
telling us that this happened that he'd

551
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,160
heard this has happened so i imagine dr

552
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:56,160
kirkpatrick has been working for a while

553
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,880
on

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everything as opposed to it since july

555
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15th

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that said

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00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:04,960
you are completely right that's a really

558
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:07,039
disruptive thing to happen a change of

559
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:08,880
leadership a change of remit change of

560
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:11,840
scope so it's quite possible that this

561
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:14,799
first report includes a kind of

562
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:17,120
almost a reset that we're gonna kind of

563
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:17,840
see

564
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,720
dr kirkpatrick's version of

565
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,720
last year's report

566
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,760
and

567
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,520
have the bits pointed out that are

568
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:27,120
ineffective basically

569
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,400
because now we have someone there that's

570
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,080
going to be looking at the office and

571
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:32,000
looking at what he can improve

572
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,360
process-wise

573
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,600
and we already know that we have the new

574
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,440
legislation coming in for the classified

575
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:40,000
stuff and and the immunity language but

576
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,760
that will not factor into this report

577
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:43,919
because that won't be passed by the time

578
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:46,799
we get that report basically so

579
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:48,080
at the very least i would expect

580
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,159
something similar to what we had but i'm

581
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,559
expecting for a little more transparency

582
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:53,919
in there

583
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:56,240
sure and again we see this as the change

584
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,679
on the surface but we don't know the

585
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,760
ripples underneath as to to what the

586
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:02,080
knock-on effect is if dr kirkpatrick

587
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:03,280
brings on

588
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,679
advisor a b and c to help out and get

589
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:08,080
rid of d e and f who are there already

590
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,520
or if there are any changes and it's

591
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:11,360
kind of seamless so that's that's

592
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,640
something that will just remain to be

593
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,440
seen

594
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:15,679
and i wonder how how can the language

595
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,320
changes in the upcoming ndaa which

596
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,799
people have been reporting on

597
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,799
that's to help bring other agencies

598
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,200
together help with the data collection

599
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,960
and one of the big focuses has been the

600
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:28,320
language and i'm going to paraphrase

601
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:29,520
around

602
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,760
essentially finding out

603
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,919
have we collected i say we as in

604
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:36,480
government agencies the u.s etc i think

605
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,720
you and i yeah yeah have we yeah yeah

606
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,880
not yet yeah not yet um we still have to

607
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,120
get the pickup truck um but have any of

608
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:47,760
these agencies within the us government

609
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,799
found crashed materials crashed craft

610
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,240
whatever they may be

611
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,159
and given them to

612
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:56,159
the private sector because that was

613
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,679
something that we've talked about before

614
00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:59,760
you know it's easy to to give that let's

615
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,480
just for talking secures roswell and say

616
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,000
yeah we don't have that

617
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,000
well maybe they don't because it was

618
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,679
given away a long time ago to lockheed

619
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:09,760
the boeing you know somewhere else and

620
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,880
that's where some of these language

621
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,640
changes are coming in

622
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,640
is that right then and also how how

623
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,320
effective can that actually be because

624
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,159
surely there are still ways and means to

625
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,000
keep these things secret

626
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,080
yeah you're not wrong the language

627
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,400
that's currently going through the house

628
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,559
is referring to i'll just do like a

629
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,679
little brief summary for people that

630
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:29,840
maybe haven't seen the last episode uh

631
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:32,159
it's it's referring to

632
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,280
creating a system within the dod

633
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,159
that would be able to or would be secure

634
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,559
enough to have classified reports

635
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,880
submitted so if someone was working in a

636
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,480
special access program where maybe they

637
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,559
had access to this materials they could

638
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,960
submit their report through that system

639
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,799
and it would be considered secure it

640
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:52,480
would get to the right people i.e the

641
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:56,080
senators who will write in this language

642
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,919
there is no

643
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,440
kind of

644
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,360
stick in this legislation there's

645
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,520
nothing kind of saying to people look if

646
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,880
you don't come forward we're going to

647
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,039
throw you in jail for 50 years all there

648
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,600
is is essentially an offer of a

649
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,760
handshake and to say you know come in

650
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,520
give us your information and we'll go

651
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,000
from there there is no promise that they

652
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,559
won't be that they will be forgiven for

653
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,720
past crimes or anything like that yeah

654
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,480
all the legislation is designed to do

655
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,720
like i say is to take the classified

656
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,640
information and be secure and get it to

657
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:28,640
the the officials that need it

658
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,159
another bit in the in the ndaa that kind

659
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:34,080
of went under people's radars

660
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,760
is to do with the national archives

661
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,159
taking over the declassification process

662
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,760
and then right at the end of all the uap

663
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,520
stuff they slip in that they want

664
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,960
everything that the national archives

665
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,039
has on uap so you can kind of see those

666
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:47,360
two puzzle pieces slotted together that

667
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,039
if an independent body has control of

668
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,120
declassifying materials

669
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,279
and then the uap task force or sorry

670
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,440
arrow plugs directly into that that's

671
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,120
going to be extremely beneficial to the

672
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,640
conversation

673
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,640
because we can just start

674
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,240
you know we have someone there that

675
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,559
isn't going to look at a bit of footage

676
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,919
from the gun camera and just go oh we

677
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,440
can't show anyone that because it's a

678
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,440
sensitive bit of technology

679
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,120
it will be their job to kind of go okay

680
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,200
what can we maybe crop out of this video

681
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,720
and we can still show them the

682
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,480
interesting part that doesn't give away

683
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,559
our you know our advantage to our

684
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,840
adversaries

685
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,840
so yeah that's the one bit

686
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,840
then the other bit and this was kind of

687
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,240
expanded on in the iaa this week there's

688
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,000
so many different acronyms that's the

689
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,480
intelligence authorization act

690
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,360
the number is hr 8367 if anyone wants to

691
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:37,760
go look it up but basically

692
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,720
that is a bit of language

693
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,640
that

694
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,960
when it comes to the

695
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,120
the person is called the comptroller of

696
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,279
the united states essentially

697
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,279
that person and department has been

698
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,039
directed to

699
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,679
create a report of this essentially the

700
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,840
complete history of the american

701
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,520
intelligence community's dealings with

702
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:00,640
uap

703
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,240
and to start from january 1947.

704
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:06,799
that was in the ndaa but in the iaa they

705
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,080
expanded it to very specifically say

706
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,320
efforts to recover or translate related

707
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:14,640
technologies to united states-based

708
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,000
industry or national laboratories

709
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,559
so what we're seeing is these senators

710
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,919
as we're going forward and they're

711
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,200
getting a little bit more bits of

712
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,440
information we're seeing them add these

713
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,840
terms to the language to kind of block

714
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,720
out these loopholes and almost i think

715
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,120
to kind of say hey anyone that's worked

716
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,960
at a national laboratory

717
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,039
we've got eyes on you so if this is you

718
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,440
you better come forward now before we

719
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,360
have to have the next conversation which

720
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,880
you know like saying no one's having yet

721
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:44,960
this is all carrot and no stick

722
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:47,919
so i'm i'm hoping that by pointing these

723
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,120
people out and these places out that

724
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,039
that the ufo community has been speaking

725
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,080
about for decades and decades now that

726
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,600
those people start coming forward and

727
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,840
start speaking hopefully folk like eric

728
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,279
davis will use the new reporting

729
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,360
mechanisms because he still has

730
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,880
clearance so he can't speak about it

731
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,880
openly even though he gets real close to

732
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,159
that line and that must be a really

733
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:10,080
interesting conversation with bosses at

734
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:11,039
earth

735
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:11,919
uh

736
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,200
but folks like him um

737
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,039
people like lazar i don't think will

738
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,200
testify just because you know i can't

739
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,679
see that no no political aid is gonna go

740
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,200
to their boss and be like hey you know

741
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:25,200
marco rubio we should we should get bob

742
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,559
lazar and he's going to say who's bob

743
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,080
lazar and then look at his rap sheet and

744
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,840
kind of go yeah we shouldn't put that

745
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,400
guy in front of uh television and stuff

746
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,240
like that there are some dodgy things in

747
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,630
and also

748
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:41,760
the whole character and story and

749
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,880
circus that can surround a bob lazar and

750
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,480
others like that with those types of

751
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,760
stories

752
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,440
even for example someone i get asked

753
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:51,600
regularly to bring on is gary mckinnon

754
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,720
who famously i'll use allegedly even

755
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,720
though we know what happened um just

756
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:58,880
first you know law reasons legal reasons

757
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,640
um hacked the nasa systems and yeah yeah

758
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,480
hacked like

759
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,640
like jurassic park when they go hacksaw

760
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,400
yeah yeah yeah just in the keyboard

761
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,919
without really looking that's that's old

762
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,720
school

763
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,559
but danny apparently saw lots of

764
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:14,559
different things including you know

765
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,679
proof that there were alien

766
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,440
civilizations and whatnot and there's

767
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,880
been all kinds of things over the years

768
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,520
but is it the time to bring those types

769
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,320
of people to a stand no and i think in a

770
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,000
way it's like when i talk about

771
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,799
experiencers feeling left out it's still

772
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,399
not the time to bring up you know so

773
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:32,000
what about abductions

774
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,360
what's happening with those that's

775
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:35,120
that's that that's down the line in the

776
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,799
conversation

777
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:38,480
and no one should be offended by that i

778
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,760
don't think it's kind of like

779
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:41,120
introducing you know if someone says to

780
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,919
me

781
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,440
what's marvel about what's the what are

782
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,039
those films about i'm not going to start

783
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,799
talking about the particular mix of

784
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,960
elements in iron man's suits right i'm

785
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,559
going to keep the conversation light and

786
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,799
kind of go baby steps and maybe let them

787
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,320
kind of immerse themselves in it before

788
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,240
we have those heavier conversations so

789
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,919
that's all this is is we're kind of

790
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,200
laying the groundwork to have those

791
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,279
deeper conversations down the line yeah

792
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,559
you don't tell someone you love them on

793
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,559
the first date because likely that's not

794
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,399
going to go well

795
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,960
dan has uh but yeah you build that up

796
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,480
don't you not that's for down the line

797
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,480
when things get more serious that you've

798
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,480
got to lay the ground working you know

799
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:16,159
tread lightly in the early days and i

800
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,520
think that's really what's got to happen

801
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,520
here so overall dan just before we

802
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,360
finish off with some listener thoughts a

803
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,200
positive step for you

804
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,200
yeah i would i would say

805
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:27,360
eight hours out of ten on that news i i

806
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,159
was

807
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,720
very happy to read it and to have that

808
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:32,159
you know beautiful new acronym that

809
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:33,440
actually forms a word that people can

810
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,320
say

811
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,320
i can't go as high as eight out of ten

812
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,200
but i will go four out of five um

813
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,799
like that's more than fair

814
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,640
um you're gonna have listeners yelling

815
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:45,279
at you again it's the same thing

816
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,080
yeah

817
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,840
you know i've got the a i've got the a

818
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,840
i've got the r they all just messing off

819
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,919
the w at the end and still know that

820
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,520
spells it wrongly folks just before

821
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,640
anyone kicks off um listen our thoughts

822
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,960
graham rendell at borders 750 you'll

823
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,360
know graeme will folks yeah well except

824
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,880
dan yeah you should follow graham of

825
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,640
course um he's got

826
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,200
numerous new books out and yeah i'm

827
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,720
behind on interviewing graham about his

828
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,200
books but go check those out um he said

829
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,360
if only the mod in the uk would make a

830
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,880
similar announcement about the creation

831
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,200
of a british equivalent oh look a pig

832
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,200
has just flown past my window and he

833
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,960
said i'm hopeful for more progress but

834
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,480
equally realistic and thinking will

835
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,240
probably be the last to know if anything

836
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,919
is discovered

837
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,399
davey said as i said to dan earlier this

838
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:30,080
was on twitter folks he's happy with the

839
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,640
new name i am super pleased by dr k

840
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,320
being part of it but i'm still wary of

841
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,320
the overarching department that oversees

842
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:38,159
the office

843
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,200
stephen

844
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,360
uh ask the question dan do you think the

845
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,440
immunity language and the amendment is

846
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,240
sufficient or has real teeth to enable

847
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,320
those with ndas to speak if they choose

848
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,159
we mentioned eric davis and others

849
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,399
before is there some subtle word play

850
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,080
that has escaped this layman that will

851
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:55,760
give the powers that be an avenue to

852
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,590
so i'm gonna have to ask you to repeat

853
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,440
that just because my my

854
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,919
cable died halfway between that's fine

855
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,520
folks and this is a short episode so we

856
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,880
can leave it in so if you want to skip

857
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,880
10 seconds i'll repeat the question it's

858
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,880
it's a whole new version of i was on

859
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,120
mute yeah i'll read that in my posh

860
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,000
voice okay stephen asks do you think the

861
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:19,840
immunity language and the amendment is

862
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,480
sufficient or and or has real teeth to

863
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,880
enable those of ndas to speak if they

864
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,200
choose so you mentioned like eric davis

865
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:29,039
and such before as the language in the

866
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,840
bill

867
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,600
gonna allow these people to come forward

868
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,960
which is something that people have been

869
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,559
clamoring for now

870
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,320
i think the key thing to remember is

871
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,240
that it will allow people who were

872
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,880
already willing to come forward there's

873
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,960
obviously been conversations in back

874
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,039
rooms you know in skiffs uh secure

875
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,720
facilities where they can talk about

876
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,960
these things and and i think this is

877
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,120
designed to let some people that

878
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,679
officials are already aware of come

879
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,399
forward and be able to speak can i ask

880
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,880
a really i think basic question i'm

881
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,799
going to ask it really badly but this is

882
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,720
for an idiot like myself

883
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,240
who i think there'll be other idiots

884
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,840
like me out there who who want this

885
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,360
basically as a

886
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:09,120
yes or no and that's all you can give us

887
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,480
yes or no

888
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,200
can luella's ondo and in a hypothetical

889
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,919
scenario he knows that there are for a

890
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,080
fact alien civilizations

891
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,159
visiting and or on this planet because

892
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,440
of a reason

893
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,679
can he if he has given or granted

894
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:26,080
immunity from his nda can he literally

895
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:27,039
stand

896
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:28,159
in public

897
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:29,519
in congress

898
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:32,559
and tell us everything he knows

899
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:33,519
no

900
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,519
but it would let him do that to

901
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:40,000
officials in a skiff so the when they

902
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,279
said oh we're gonna scaffold those

903
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,799
glasses

904
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,159
you know that that little bit of the

905
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,159
hearing that we didn't get to see yeah

906
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,320
lou could now go into there and say

907
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,000
everything he knows without fear of

908
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:52,720
prosecution but not publicly

909
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,840
okay sure um chuck says and this one's a

910
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,919
little bit of a somber one from chuck um

911
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,760
as the us crumbles quickly and

912
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,919
exponentially before our very eyes i

913
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,440
think the cat might have to be laid out

914
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,200
of the bag once they get desperate

915
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,960
enough because all they have left is a

916
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,039
crumbling divided middle class rich

917
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,799
people and a massive military budget to

918
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,360
keep the rich rich chuck to be fair i

919
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,720
think there are many others throughout

920
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,240
the world who would say our countries

921
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,120
are crumbling before our very eyes but

922
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:21,440
shut up it could be it could be worse

923
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:22,240
you know

924
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,039
yeah

925
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:24,720
fuel prices in the uk just dropped a

926
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,120
couple of pence so you know

927
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,960
and our ground is literally melting and

928
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,640
cracking i think it was looting where

929
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:31,840
planes couldn't take off because the

930
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,480
tarmac was all goopy the good news is uh

931
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:36,480
because of the crash and fuel prices dan

932
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,880
i fed my kids today so fantastic news

933
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:42,159
first

934
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,360
um

935
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,120
alex says i was reading about the

936
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,039
director sean kirkpatrick really

937
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,279
surprised they announced who he was his

938
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,279
background is pretty crazy and yeah as

939
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,640
we said alex went into that a lot about

940
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,720
a detail he seems extremely well

941
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,120
qualified and similar to a travis taylor

942
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,440
while dr kirkpatrick hasn't appeared on

943
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:01,279
numerous tv shows as part of the history

944
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,880
channel network his cv and resume and

945
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,559
even on their summer's recommendations

946
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,120
from colleagues speak for themselves

947
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,200
and some free plugs and advertising here

948
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,200
for demon house design dan i know you

949
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,360
know them well they said looking forward

950
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,279
to hearing it do you think that access

951
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,000
to files pre-1947

952
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,559
will be used as an excuse to buy further

953
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,640
time stalling or is this where

954
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,799
disclosure will come from

955
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,880
i i don't think the stuff from way back

956
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,640
just for my own view dan is is going to

957
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,559
be the things that you know put it this

958
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,320
way folks we're not bringing up roswell

959
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,480
here and getting confirmation no one's

960
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,000
dragging out the flying saucers i don't

961
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,080
think that's what's going to happen here

962
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,919
it's possible that roswell gets included

963
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:43,679
in the comptroller's report though since

964
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,399
that starts in january 47

965
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,679
but

966
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:49,919
the focus isn't going to be on things

967
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,279
like roswell the focus is going to be on

968
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,120
sightings that

969
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,679
or events that have multiple

970
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,440
sensor systems so not just a pilot with

971
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,120
their eyes it's going to be their wso

972
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,080
there's another pilot and they're whizzo

973
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,240
plus you know the the high-tech fancy

974
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,000
radars that they have plus the hawkeye

975
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,760
radar that they have plus the other ship

976
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,200
that was there you know

977
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,280
these these anomalous events with

978
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,760
multiple vantage points are gonna take

979
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,599
precedence and that that's pretty much

980
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:19,440
the whole reason that we see such a

981
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,480
focus on

982
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,480
2004 and the tic tac because that's kind

983
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,159
of the first one where we have all that

984
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,919
and not to bang on and i've said this

985
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,000
before dan myself but roswell's a very

986
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,639
romantic story and it's 75 years plus

987
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,560
now since roswell

988
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,720
it's a little bit to me because so much

989
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,800
has happened almost everyone involved is

990
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,639
passed on we have mentioned before many

991
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:40,560
of the grandchildren of those involved

992
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,079
are passed on or are very elderly um

993
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:46,159
would it not be similar to saying to you

994
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,800
dan i've baked a cake here's a list of

995
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,639
20 ingredients i've put them together in

996
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,320
a bowl it's been baked it's been

997
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,399
presented there it is can you go and get

998
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:56,399
me the sugar back out the cake

999
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,760
and that's a little bit like sending

1000
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,920
people back to find as if roswell oh

1001
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,320
there's the roswell file there is there

1002
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,400
and here's the hanger with all the stuff

1003
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,800
it's probably long removed from that

1004
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,880
with say that even was a recovered

1005
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:11,280
vehicle or technology

1006
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,800
it could be all over the place in

1007
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,400
various different places it could almost

1008
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,079
be unrecognizable

1009
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:17,920
you know to what it was then or where it

1010
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,200
was and been past hands so many times in

1011
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,200
private industry as well that it would

1012
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,720
be really hard to go and find that kind

1013
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,920
of stuff

1014
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,480
yeah absolutely you'd end up with you

1015
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,000
know say you had a big sheet of material

1016
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,440
and you started giving chunks of it out

1017
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,280
to people to kind of study and they all

1018
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,200
had ndas they were all secure but you

1019
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:37,040
know i was giving this material out at

1020
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,800
some point one of them's probably gonna

1021
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,640
go walkies or it's gonna get cut into

1022
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:42,839
two to pass out to someone else

1023
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,480
so the longest since the event happened

1024
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,640
the more kind of stove piped all of that

1025
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,720
information is going to be and sure we

1026
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,160
can connect these stove pipes going

1027
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,480
forward with something like arrow

1028
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,400
but going back and connecting things

1029
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,480
with stove pipes that's really really

1030
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,560
difficult so there might be some stories

1031
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,800
in ufo law that we kind of almost have

1032
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,040
to let go of because they're just not

1033
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,640
good enough to have to have part of the

1034
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:08,160
conversation you know

1035
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:09,680
yeah where do you think baubles are head

1036
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:13,040
has element 115

1037
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,240
um

1038
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,079
buried in the garden i'm going to say

1039
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,240
it's outside it's garden or something

1040
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,920
i just have a little jack valet on my

1041
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:22,320
shoulder saying that's aerogel

1042
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:23,200
okay

1043
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,560
i thought you would um trent says a new

1044
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,480
name and clear objectives as a start

1045
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,160
unless there are consequences for not

1046
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,079
giving up info to arrow then it's a

1047
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,760
pretty picture that doesn't have a frame

1048
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:35,760
to hang on the wall arrows should be a

1049
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:38,800
well-funded diverse think tank hopefully

1050
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,839
you know that's the proof is in the

1051
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,440
pudding with that one

1052
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,359
gaz says in a nutshell what will be

1053
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,040
different than it is now in five years

1054
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,680
time then what do you guys hope will be

1055
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,119
in five years

1056
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,560
five years is that time scale i think

1057
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,839
some people have latched on to now

1058
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,000
because of lew's comment but it's also a

1059
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,760
nice time scale of you know in five

1060
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,400
years what will change um we're almost

1061
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,000
five years on this december from the new

1062
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,079
york times article and that's a hell of

1063
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,680
a timeline to go back and cover which no

1064
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,440
doubt will do in in four or five months

1065
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,000
time done and because that's a big big

1066
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,839
piece of work but

1067
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:11,760
what what do you hope from five years

1068
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,640
from now where are we going to be

1069
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:16,000
i would hope

1070
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,599
that in five years

1071
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,880
and i'll even take bets on this for

1072
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:20,079
someone someone wants to put some money

1073
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,359
down because it would kind of be fun but

1074
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,280
not too much just like 10 10 fine

1075
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,640
english pounds i will bet someone that

1076
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,280
in five years we won't call them uap

1077
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:31,760
we'll have an actual name for them and

1078
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:34,839
know their origin that's what i would

1079
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:39,280
say okay at the very least by 2026

1080
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,160
the now there are illusions in the new

1081
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,760
legislation language that the programs

1082
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:45,440
are going to carry on past that but the

1083
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:46,880
programs they're looking at like arrow

1084
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,240
like uaptf like aimsawg they are funded

1085
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,240
until 2026.

1086
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,560
so in five years we'll be past the end

1087
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,480
of that and we'll have a kind of summary

1088
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,960
of you know for four or five years of

1089
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,440
study of the uap phenomena um and we'll

1090
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,119
also have the results of what nasa are

1091
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,280
doing and what they're diving into

1092
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,119
also we'll have a lot of what project

1093
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,839
galileo finds so in five years we're

1094
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:12,160
going to be looking at results

1095
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,839
and like i say we're probably going to

1096
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:15,280
have to look at a whole bunch of events

1097
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,720
that we hold on really tightly to at the

1098
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,720
moment and go you know what they did

1099
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,640
look into that in a robust manner and if

1100
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,560
there was nothing there you know

1101
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,760
do you know what i've been thinking to

1102
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,280
give my answer and hopefully doesn't

1103
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,839
frustrate many people but

1104
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,880
something that i'm thinking is realistic

1105
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,599
especially given the last few weeks as i

1106
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:35,680
wonder in five years time

1107
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:38,560
have we got a combination of the james

1108
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:42,000
webb telescope has seen something at

1109
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,599
quite a distance

1110
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:45,920
that we can confirm and scientists come

1111
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,320
out and confirm we think we have found

1112
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,040
something somewhere that has intelligent

1113
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,400
life be a you know a dyson sphere or a

1114
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,079
planet that's inhabited or something

1115
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,400
like that or a huge craft somewhere but

1116
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,000
it's been so long ago that we don't even

1117
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,079
know if it's still there

1118
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,160
and they they basically say but it's

1119
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,800
been so far away so long ago

1120
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,720
but we think we've found something out

1121
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,560
there in the universe

1122
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,880
but to go hand in hand with that the

1123
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:15,200
conversation here a bit closer to home

1124
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,240
is that

1125
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,560
we think there may be a chance

1126
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,240
that some of these things may or may not

1127
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,800
already have visited you know or be

1128
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:25,359
visiting us and we're looking into that

1129
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,079
and

1130
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,240
almost again keeping that drip going but

1131
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,520
saying ah

1132
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:31,040
actually we've found something really

1133
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,160
far away

1134
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,160
and that gets the general public more

1135
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,240
ready for a conversation of well are

1136
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,160
they coming here well we don't know this

1137
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,240
thing's actually 13 billion light years

1138
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,240
away so you know the actual distance is

1139
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,800
it's not there anymore however

1140
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,480
it just opens up people's minds a little

1141
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,480
bit to oh well if something was there

1142
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,880
why couldn't something now be here

1143
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,720
and then that allows the conversation to

1144
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,400
change so i wonder and do you know what

1145
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,160
i would take that in five years if we

1146
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,800
were at that point

1147
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,960
i'm gonna dub your five year point the

1148
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,359
the three body point because there's a

1149
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,920
lot in what you just said that is very

1150
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,359
very similar to

1151
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,520
the three body problem and that series

1152
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,520
in general

1153
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,119
what worries me about a scenario like

1154
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,119
that is that if we start talking about

1155
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,200
you know not being alone but not knowing

1156
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,440
how close they are that affects people

1157
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,359
in in a really fundamental kind of way

1158
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,880
psychologically some people are going

1159
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,599
gonna be okay having them so close um

1160
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,680
and tom alluded it to it oh in his

1161
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,920
interview with sivo where if we can see

1162
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:32,000
them 13 you know million light years

1163
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:32,880
away

1164
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,079
worry about it

1165
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:37,359
but if there's evidence that they're

1166
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,800
visiting here and we don't know what

1167
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,720
they're doing that's a really scary

1168
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:42,480
conversation for some people

1169
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,359
so

1170
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,839
i would hope that in five years

1171
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,480
we would have a bit more of an answer in

1172
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,200
terms of intent as well

1173
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,599
okay interesting a good question guys

1174
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,520
one for uh one for a longer show i think

1175
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,839
as well um ricky says do you guys feel

1176
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,079
like the formation of arrow will be more

1177
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:02,240
effective than its predecessor i think

1178
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,520
you can have answered that but dan just

1179
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,079
to sum up you we do yeah yeah yeah i

1180
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:09,119
think so um not perfect but a good step

1181
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,560
forward and next year we'll go through

1182
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,000
the same thing again with not perfect

1183
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,640
burgers set forward so yeah onwards yeah

1184
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,599
adam adam goldsack as we know uap media

1185
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,520
uk colleague optimistically cautious

1186
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,920
this is a positive move although how apt

1187
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,560
is ousdi over another branch and i've

1188
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,920
seen some people commenting saying it

1189
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,359
should have been housed somewhere else

1190
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,440
but this is always going to be the thing

1191
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:32,079
that where is the perfect place to put

1192
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,599
something like this there's always going

1193
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,400
to be

1194
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,839
some kind of

1195
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,160
issue with how a department is run or

1196
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:40,000
what they may be doing behind the scenes

1197
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,800
or

1198
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,160
like imagine it was like the department

1199
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,119
of energy aha there you go it was them

1200
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:46,800
and it's like so it's got to be

1201
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,760
somewhere

1202
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:49,280
and

1203
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:50,160
there is

1204
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,200
legislation that proposes making a joint

1205
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,720
program office

1206
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,880
which alludes to them maybe either this

1207
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,359
year or next year kind of pull in

1208
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,240
control of this office away from the dod

1209
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,839
so i think it's something that officials

1210
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,760
are aware of but they're kind of letting

1211
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,119
them do their thing and kind of saying

1212
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,440
okay you know doctor chunk and patrick

1213
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,119
you want him in you say that he's the

1214
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:12,640
best that you've got cool let's see what

1215
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,200
he does for you and then if by next year

1216
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,040
we're still in the same situation again

1217
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,119
we'll probably see you know it being

1218
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,720
pulled further and further away from the

1219
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,240
dod control

1220
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,839
and then you know i like to finish on a

1221
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,839
fair or cynical or

1222
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,680
you know point i know you saw this one

1223
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,599
as well on twitter you interacted with

1224
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,760
lin lin said it's another word for the

1225
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:33,839
same organization doing the same thing

1226
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,720
but maybe i'm just being cynical um and

1227
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,480
it reminded me of the

1228
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,160
you know the scooby-doo meme where they

1229
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,640
pull off the mask and it's

1230
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,400
it was that guy all along or the old

1231
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:45,920
vince mcmahon he was a wrestling one

1232
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,560
again it was me austin and is it going

1233
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,400
to be that meme where the arrow hood

1234
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,640
gets pulled off and it's the aoi msg at

1235
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:54,319
a year's time going haha it was me all

1236
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,359
along

1237
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,359
but then we can we can keep going back

1238
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,960
right if we pull

1239
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,040
aim sogg's face off then we get the

1240
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,359
uaptf if we pull that mask off we get a

1241
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,680
tip we pull that mask off we get osap

1242
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,079
and then they're areas that people are a

1243
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,760
lot more comfortable with right we think

1244
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,599
we did a good job we think they did a

1245
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,200
good job investigating skinwalker ranch

1246
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,119
and the high strangeness so this stuff

1247
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,720
all kind of trickles down out of those

1248
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,400
things but yeah just more robust

1249
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,000
conversation now

1250
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,920
awesome cool well done thank you very

1251
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,599
much for joining us for this one

1252
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,839
especially ahead of your big move

1253
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,839
i'm away this weekend in glasgow for a

1254
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:29,359
day with my little boy looking forward

1255
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,560
to that coming up on monday dan is the

1256
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,319
robin hanson interview which is about

1257
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,280
out now on early access and ad-free

1258
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,839
according to dan dave smithers and a few

1259
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,000
others i didn't make an idea of myself

1260
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,640
with robin um thank him very much for

1261
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,640
that conversation you you did great

1262
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,240
people are going to really enjoy it it's

1263
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,240
a thoroughly entertaining and a bit of a

1264
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,000
different interview as well

1265
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,520
it was the most awkward i think i said

1266
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,040
you don't have felt since the cut joy

1267
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,640
mongol interview i've done with and that

1268
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,560
was nothing against cur that was just

1269
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,839
having someone who's far more

1270
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,440
intellectual than myself on but trying

1271
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,119
to kind of break it down to terms i

1272
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:05,200
understood but yeah robin was great he

1273
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,480
said he'd be really happy to come back

1274
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,000
on in the future he's got a bit coming

1275
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,920
out down the line which is quite some

1276
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,680
time away still but you'll be speaking

1277
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,760
to him for colouring outside the lines

1278
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,680
well before then anyway

1279
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,119
um but folks want to listen to that

1280
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,119
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1281
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,400
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1282
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:23,839
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1283
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,240
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1284
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,880
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1285
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,240
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1286
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,839
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1287
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,280
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1288
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,040
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1289
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,400
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1290
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,480
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1291
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:43,359
they even use those anymore 1000 yen

1292
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,800
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1293
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,400
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1294
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,400
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1295
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,480
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1296
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,000
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1297
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,000
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1298
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,000
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1299
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,599
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1300
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,000
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1301
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,240
a living crisis and all that jazz but

1302
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,560
here we are talking about ufos hopefully

1303
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:07,200
you've been informed entertained

1304
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,560
you've hated us both but you've listened

1305
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:09,920
all the way through so thank you very

1306
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,200
much um and dan speak to again soon

1307
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,800
yeah absolutely thank you for for

1308
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,800
listening and thank you for having me

1309
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,119
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1310
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,800
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1311
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,800
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1312
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00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,440
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1320
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1321
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1322
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,680
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1323
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,280
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1324
00:46:12,950 --> 00:45:53,040
see

1325
00:46:23,010 --> 00:46:14,710
made it an issue i don't think he

1326
00:46:23,020 --> 00:46:29,190
[Music]

1327
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:30,630
i can't imagine how it could have been

1328
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:51,270
there was something on my head and

1329
00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:02,990
noise they thought it everything a dream

1330
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:08,540
[Music]

1331
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:24,040
and she

1332
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:28,309
[Music]

1333
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:00,559
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1334
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:02,710
saucer